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		<title>How not to do Marketing</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Rants]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Web Marketing]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Sunday October 9th my service provider site5. Was dealing with a Denial of service attack (DoS) attack on their Vancouver hosting location. As always they were on top of it.  So I tweeted that my website would be down and so would the website of the home based business I run 32spokes web design. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 330px"><img class="  " title="We have verified you not worthy… " src="http://www.direct-storage.co.uk/images/verisign.png" alt="We have verified you not worthy… " width="320" height="133" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Thank you… We have verified your cold call hard sell tactics and will never be using your services… Have a nice day</p></div>
<p>On Sunday October 9th my service provider <a title="Site5 Web Hosting" href="http://32spokes.com/site5">site5</a>. Was dealing with a <a title="Definition of a Denial of service attack" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack">Denial of service attack (DoS)</a> attack on their Vancouver hosting location. As always they were on top of it.  So I <a title="Tweet about website being down" href="https://twitter.com/#%21/robertdall/status/123453441757552640">tweeted</a> that my website would be down and so would the website of the home based business I run <a title="Thirty two spokes web design" href="http://32spokes.com/">32spokes web design</a>. Being that it was the Canadian Thanksgiving Holiday Weekend, it just gave me more of an excuse to watch the Winnipeg Jets in their first NHL game in 15 years. I wasn&#8217;t really doing any work, I was just fiddling around with something.</p>
<p>Once we were back up I tweeted that it was a DoS and we were back up and running. Hey great job <a title="Site5 Web Hosting" href="http://32spokes.com/site5" target="_blank">site5!</a> I like the hosting plan I have and it works for what I need at the moment. No more no less.</p>
<p>Monday rolled around and I got a phone call in the morning from California of which I didn&#8217;t answer (it is a holiday after all). In the afternoon they called again. The number was the same. I answered it just to keep the phone from ringing all bloody day.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Versign: Hi it&#8217;s Salesman from Verisign I see you had some problems with your website over the weekend can we talk about how we can help?</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Me: Nope I am very happy with my hosting provider and don&#8217;t need any other services at the moment. You do know it is a holiday in Canada?</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Versign: Oh I am sorry about that. Can I set up a call to talk later?</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Me: Nope</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Versign: Can I just give you my contact information.</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Me: I know who you are your a big company, I&#8217;ll call you if I need anything. (patients wearing thin)</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Versign: Just let me give you my contact information and maybe…</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Me: Your really not getting this… No thank you good bye. Maybe you should check your calendar before cold calling next time.</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Versign: No reason to get rude I am just asking…</em></p>
<h4>An hour later…</h4>
<p>Cell phone rings. I don&#8217;t answer I am doing the lunch dishes.</p>
<p>Answering machine message:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>&#8220;Hi this is Salesman#2 from Verisign, I see you had a DoS attack on your website this weekend. Maybe we can set aside 10 minutes to talk about how we can provide a solution so your website is protected…&#8221;</em></p>
<h4>Twenty minutes after the cell phone call:</h4>
<p>Business line rings again: (now I am just pissed)</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Versign: &#8220;Hi this is Salesman#2 from Verisign I see you had some issues with your website and I was wondering if we could set aside some time to talk about how…&#8221;</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Me: Seriously? I am not interested stop calling me on a holiday weekend! Goodbye!</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Versign: Oh umm…</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Me: &#8216;click&#8217;</em></p>
<p>Seriously this is not how to do a effective marketing campaign. I understand that the hard sell works with some people. But I have never liked it and walk away from any company who employes it as fast as possible. I&#8217;d rather to figure whether I want to work with the other company  myself and it is usually comes down to excellent customer service and a good long track record. I had heard of VeriSign before they are a large SSL certificate company. But not taking no for an answer and calling multiple times a day makes me question your intention. They noticed my tweet, but didn&#8217;t reply to my tweet. They found my number on my website, but didn&#8217;t send a email. Both methods of contact would have got me just as quickly. But they wanted to do a cold call because it&#8217;s then harder to say no to.</p>
<p>The calling on the holiday monday was just more an annoyance then anything. But gave me in the impression that the company hadn&#8217;t done it&#8217;s homework before trying to sell me something…</p>
<p>The things I like about the companies I deal with is that they prove I should be their customer through the service they provide. Not because they told me they are great at what they do or I had to deal with them or I was going to be in trouble if I didn&#8217;t use them.</p>
<p>Did this interaction ruin my day? No, but this type of sell is happening far more often. This post is just to show what impression a company like verisign leaves me with after they try contact me. They did more pushing me away then attracting me any service they were offering.  When I switched hosting providers more then a year ago. I went looking for a company that had a good track record and didn&#8217;t try to sell me something I didn&#8217;t need or want. This is process of which I choose all the companies I choose to deal with.</p>
<p>Postscript &gt;&gt; All of this from one tweet on a sunday afternoon? Ya got me as to why I was targeted as a customer…</p>
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		<title>My Summer of Tree Planting</title>
		<link>http://robertdall.com/blog/2009/06/09/my-summer-of-tree-planting/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[For many college and university students the summer means going into the bush, living out of tents and planting trees. From what I have heard it can be hard, back breaking work where you only get paid for the trees you plant. Well my summer has been a lot different than the usual tree planter. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For many college and university students the summer means going into the bush, living out of tents and planting trees. From what I have heard it can be hard, back breaking work where you only get paid for the trees you plant.</p>
<p>Well my summer has been a lot different than the usual tree planter. Instead of working in a camp in the middle of a clear cut, I am working for <a href="http://www.bikesonthedrive.com" target="_blank">Bikes on the Drive</a> (BOTD) on Commercial Drive, which is pretty much the center of East Vancouver.</p>
<p>I walked into the shop some months ago and talked with ilan Handelsman, manager of BOTD about telling their story and getting some more traffic to their website. What happened was ilan told me the story of <a href="http://bikesonthedrive.com/tree/" target="_blank">The Tree</a>. A bike conceived by the staff on BOTD out of frustration with the current trends in the commuter bike industry.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://bikesonthedrive.com/tree"><img title="Bikes on the Drive Tree" src="http://bikesonthedrive.com/tree/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/topbartreelogo.jpg" alt="Bikes on the Drive Tree" width="300" height="196" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Bikes on the Drive Tree</p></div>
<p>What happened next was truly something amazing. I had one opportunity to convince BOTD that I was the one who should tell the story of <a href="http://bikesonthedrive.com/tree/" target="_blank">The Tree</a>. But to do this I had to explain <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_networks" target="_blank">social networking</a>. The problem is that much like everyone else I didn’t really fully understand social networking in terms of marketing and a return on a shop&#8217;s investment. But what I did have was time on my hands.</p>
<p>I sat down and two days later with the help of <a href="http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/OmniGraffle/" target="_blank">OmniGraffle</a> I had built a three-page flowchart that somewhat explained social networking to the bike shop and how it could be measured. A full two months after my first conversation I then presented this two month proposal to Tina the shop administrator and owner.</p>
<p>I am happy to say that three weeks ago a three month contract was approved by <a href="http://bikesonthedrive.com" target="_blank">Bikes on the Drive</a> and I have barely had enough time to do laundry since then. (I said barely).</p>
<p>So we have taken The Tree to the <a href="http://bikesonthedrive.com/tree/pics-video/bike-to-work-week/" target="_blank">Bike to Work Week BBQ’s</a>, Commuter Stations, <a href="http://bikesonthedrive.com/tree/pics-video/global-agents-for-change/" target="_blank">Mexico thanks to Bugsy</a>, <a href="http://bikesonthedrive.com/tree/pics-video/critical-mass/" target="_blank">Critical Mass</a> and the bike is already a <a href="http://bikesonthedrive.com/tree/2009/06/05/veloci-tree/" target="_blank">Museum Piece</a> and it’s barely two months old.</p>
<p>So far it has been the biggest internet marketing project I have ever taken on. Here is a short list of what we&#8217;re working on:</p>
<ul>
<li> Microsite dedicated to the bike.</li>
<li> Bikes on business card</li>
<li> Magazine display ads</li>
<li> Domain Purchase and association</li>
<li> Guerrilla marketing</li>
<li> Art Directed photo shoot on false creek.</li>
<li> Photos of every part of Tree Life</li>
<li> Event promotion and coverage</li>
<li> Video</li>
<li> Own Flickr group</li>
<li> Interview of all staff</li>
</ul>
<p>And we&#8217;re not even into month two of the contract. . .</p>
<p>So unlike the intrepid tree planters of the Canadian wilderness I have been a firmly planted urbanist this summer, promoting one of the coolest projects I have worked on since becoming a web designer.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 290px"><a href="http://bikesonthedrive.com/tree/"><img title="The Tree" src="http://bikesonthedrive.com/tree/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/the-tree-photoshoot.jpg" alt="Jenelle models the Tree on False Creek" width="280" height="420" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Jenelle models the Tree on False Creek</p></div>
<p>The shop managers and owners have been amazing to work with. I have presented ideas and concepts and 9 times out of 10 I hear, &#8220;Yes, sure, lets try that!&#8221; To be given almost cart blanche to market a product without a laundry list of restrictions has been a dream of a job to work on.</p>
<p>But I could not do this without friends like: Jenelle Schneider who was an awesome model for the photo shoot. Jacob Hopkins who did the photography of the tree on False Creek. My programer <a href="http://secondsites.com" target="_blank">Kevin Ganapathy</a> who is a great web developer but also speaks fluent Robert, which means he know what I am talking about most of the time. . .</p>
<p>Will keep you posted on how things are progressing this summer it certainly has been a wild ride this spring.</p>
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