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		<title>The Beauty and the Beast ~ The Coast and BC Ferries</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Their is a beast on the coast, it haunts all residents, it is a necessary evil but yet to most it is our livelihood. It is big and white and travels Howe Sound and it doesn&#8217;t like to be messed with. If you haven&#8217;t already guessed I am talking about the Queen of Surrey and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their is a beast on the coast, it haunts all residents, it is a necessary evil but yet to most it is our livelihood. It is big and white and travels Howe Sound and it doesn&#8217;t like to be messed with.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t already guessed I am talking about the <em>Queen of Surrey</em> and our tragic relationship with <a title="BC Ferries Website" href="http://www.bcferries.com/" target="_blank">BC Ferries</a>.</p>
<div id="attachment_865" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 610px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-865" href="http://robertdall.com/blog/2010/09/19/bc-ferries/queenofsurrey2/"><img class="size-full wp-image-865  " title="Queen of Surrey" src="http://robertdall.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/QueenofSurrey2-e1284932020551.jpg" alt="The Queen of Surrey in Howe Sound" width="600" height="225" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The beauty of the trip is often over shadowed by the second class citizen I feel from the Ferry Corp.</p></div>
<h4>First the Facts</h4>
<p><a title="Wikipedia Entry on the Queen of Surrey" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Surrey"><em>Queen of Surrey</em></a> using a <a title="Wikipedia Entry on BC Ferries C-Class Vessels" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_class_ferry" target="_blank">C-Class ferry</a> which can carry some 362 cars and over 1,500 passengers. <em>The Surrey</em> is Cowichan Class and was put into service in 1981 It and the <a title="Wikipedia Entry on the Queen of Oak Bay" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Oak_Bay" target="_blank"><em>Queen of Oak Bay</em></a> were the last two of the C-Class build in North Vancouver. Other then some help over the summer from the <a title="Wikipedia Entry on the Queen of Coquitiam" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Queen_of_Coquitlam" target="_blank"><em>Queen of Coquitlam</em></a> it is the only boat the runs on <a title="BC Ferries page on the Langdale - Horseshoe Bay" href="http://www.bcferries.com/schedules/mainland/vasc-current.html" target="_blank">route 3 </a>which travels between Langdale and Horseshoe Bay. The ship provides bi-hourly service, with a route of 9.7 nautical miles taking approximately 40 minutes to making the crossing.</p>
<h4>Some History</h4>
<p>The Sunshine Coast has been serviced by ferries since it&#8217;s inception as a community. With a number of vessels making the route. One vessel of particular note was the <a title="Sunshine Coast Museum Page on the Sunshine Coast Queen" href="http://sunshinecoastmuseum.ca/exhibits/ferry-service-on-the-coast" target="_blank"><em>Sunshine Coast Queen</em></a> nicknamed <em>Suzy Q</em>. After the <em>Suzy Q</em> was retired in 1976 the coast was serviced by two double ended Ferries that would travel back and fourth. A decision was made in the early 80&#8242;s to switch to one larger C Class ferry that was larger faster and could handle all of the traffic. But the trade off was it would only run every two hours.</p>
<p>And from what I can recall (I was quite young at the time) Their was a lot of grumbling and discontent that the frequency of ferry service was decreasing. But BC Ferries vowed that this would be cheaper to operate with the same amount of traffic.</p>
<p>Other improvements were included a new ramp for loading the 3rd car deck at the Langdale terminal and a new gantry at Horseshoe Bay to allow walk on passengers to board directly on to the passenger area of the vessel. Both of these decreased loading time of the vessel.</p>
<p>The Langdale Terminal also got a new parking lot, drop off area, coffee shop and bus stop along with a new layout at the Langdale Terminal to adjust for increasing capacity.</p>
<div id="attachment_880" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 357px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-880" href="http://robertdall.com/blog/2010/09/19/bc-ferries/langdale-ferry/"><img class="size-full wp-image-880 " title="Langdale Ferry Terminal" src="http://robertdall.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/langdale-ferry.jpg" alt="Langdale Ferry Terminal" width="347" height="251" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Langdale Ferry Terminal</p></div>
<h5>The Black sheep of the Mainland Routes</h5>
<p>Their was always trade offs in this smaller route. For example we don&#8217;t have traffic that the island routes do. But we also don&#8217;t have the weather storm delays or volume delays of the island routes either. <a title="BC Ferries page on the Langdale - Horseshoe Bay" href="http://www.bcferries.com/schedules/mainland/vasc-current.html" target="_blank">The Howe Sound route</a> is claimer then crossing the Strait of Georgia and when other sailing were canceled ours was still running. So when I was a kid I would always see these huge line ups for the Nanaimo route and be glad it wasn&#8217;t our route.</p>
<p>But and it is a big but… like a little brother or sister we always got the discards from the larger route. When the ferry was refit we were the last to get it, They would take our boat give it a refit and then it would sail the <a title="BC Ferries page on the Depature Bay - Horseshoe Bay Route" href="http://www.bcferries.com/schedules/mainland/hbna-current.html" target="_blank">Nanaimo route</a>. We always grumbled about this but other then a nicer boat for better for worse it still relatively decent service.</p>
<h4>Coast not the secret it use to be</h4>
<div id="attachment_883" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 370px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-883" href="http://robertdall.com/blog/2010/09/19/bc-ferries/queenofsurrey/"><img class="size-full wp-image-883 " title="Queen of Surrey" src="http://robertdall.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/QueenofSurrey.jpg" alt="Queen of Surrey" width="360" height="239" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Queen of Surrey</p></div>
<p>Once I was a teenager the coast had it&#8217;s own <a title="Sunshine Coast transit Page" href="http://www.transitbc.com/regions/sun/" target="_blank">transit bus</a> and their was something called the commuter who would work in Vancouver and travel by ferry to the Coast. A lot of people said it was more enjoyable then being stuck in a traffic jam. But with that came added traffic to the coast and the ferry. These commuters would leave for the 6:20am ferry arriving for work at 8:30am in Vancouver and then return on the 5:30pm ferry getting you back into Sechelt around 7:00pm. And a lot of people start to do this. Living in Gibsons was a lot easier then further up the coast. But I knew people in Halfmoon Bay who would do this 4 to 5 days a week. Again this only worked when the ferry ran on time and for more or less it did. But commuting via ferry was never for me. I don&#8217;t think it ever will be.</p>
<p>The Summer hit the coast and all hands are on deck for the busy season, And much like the rest of the coast you can feel the increased traffic and to give BC Ferries some credit service has certainly increased during the summer months adding another C class vessel.</p>
<h4>But it is here that lies the problem in my opinion</h4>
<p>With every two hour service and a crossing time of forty minutes. You only have 10 minutes on either side to load/unload and leave for the other side. But this only works when the boat is 2/3rds full. The time it takes to stuff the boat will <span style="text-decoration: underline;">always</span> leave the boat running late. (You can usually see this on the Saturday 8:20 ferry) But the boat can usually catch up on the next run. But with the summer traffic being what it is. They have has additional sailing to keep the traffic smooth.</p>
<p><strong>Problem number one:</strong> We have enough traffic to constantly make only one ferry late and but not enough to need a second ferry of duplicate size and capacity. (eg. <a title="Wikipedia Entry on the Queen of Coquitiam" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Queen_of_Coquitlam" target="_blank"><em>Queen of Coquitlam</em></a> or variation of that)</p>
<p><strong>Problem number two:</strong> We only have one big boat, their is no robustness or scalability to any issue we might have. So for example a dock problem = delays, 50 extra cars? = delays, Anything out of the ordinary traffic = Delays.  And unlike years gone past it is getting increasing hard to keep this demanding schedule.</p>
<p><strong>Problem number three:</strong> When the <a title="The Province Story about the Queen of Surrey" href="http://www.theprovince.com/news/Queen+Surrey+remain+commission+until+late+July/3162285/story.html" target="_blank"><em>Queen of Surrey</em></a> was in dry dock for most of  the summer as it had broken down a number of time in the early summer  the <em>Queen of Coquitlam</em> took over and it couldn&#8217;t keep pace with the  schedule and yet is the same class and size of boat with a slightly  different layout and been put into service 5 years previous. The only thing I can see  from this is that if the <em>Queen of Surrey</em> can barely keep up with the demanding schedule it is beyond the scope of a boat five years older.</p>
<p><strong>Problem number four:</strong> Except for the <em><a title="BC Ferries page on the MV Skeena Queen" href="http://www.bcferries.com/about/fleet/profile-skeena_queen.html" target="_blank">MV Skeena Queen</a> </em>and <a title="BC Ferries page about the MV Island Sky" href="http://www.bcferries.com/about/fleet/profile-island_sky.html" target="_blank"><em>MV Island Sky</em></a> who have dedicated routes.  Every other mid-sized ferry was build before the 1980&#8242;s with high maintenance cost and antiquated technology on the boats.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt BC Ferries has known this for years and I don&#8217;t doubt the complexity of the problem with a route that is constantly changing in traffic capacity. But this current setup just isn&#8217;t working and it is troubling. It is hitting the core customers now and it has a huge trickle down effect. Like the coastal transit system which tries so hard to meeting the ferries and even alter it&#8217;s schedule to co-ordinate with the ferries.</p>
<p>I am not going to comment on some of the surely staff you find (notice I said some), the expensive food and the really horrible coffee. Because at the end of the day I just really want the ferry to run on a manageable schedule that is robust enough to deal with heaver traffic demands when needed.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t have spent the entire morning writing this post if I felt this was a useless pursuit and nothing could be done. But that is biggest concern I have, is that this little route isn&#8217;t little anymore and makes quite the profit for the ferries and yet I still feel like a second class citizen who&#8217;s opinions don&#8217;t matter in the eyes of the Ferry corp.</p>
<h4>Follow up</h4>
<p>When I tried to contact BC Ferries, both the 1-800 number and the head office. I was put on hold, told their phones couldn&#8217;t transfer. The person you need to talk to is on lunch and will call you back. So far nothing…</p>
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		<title>The Follow Up &amp; Accountability</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 21:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is a follow up post to the massively popular yelp post I told you about yesterday. &#8220;I believe all of these community review sites and user-generated content site is all about transparency.&#8221; ~ Vancouver Indy Coffee Scene And while this will be the last double post between the two blogs, I felt it was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a follow up post to the massively popular <a href="http://coffeevancouver.ca/2009/05/06/how-i-got-banned-from-yelp/" target="_blank">yelp post</a> I told you about yesterday.</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://coffeevancouver.ca/2009/05/07/transparency-of-a-review/" target="_blank">&#8220;I believe all of these community review sites and user-generated content site is all about transparency.&#8221; ~ Vancouver Indy Coffee Scene</a></p></blockquote>
<p>And while this will be the last double post between the two blogs, I felt it was important issue to cover. </p>
<p>Also, to show the nature of change on the internet. Most of the traffic the coffee blog received was from <a href="http://twitter.com">Twitter</a>. It also had a huge bump in subscription from <a href="http://twitter.com/coffeevancouver" target="_blank">Twitter</a> because of this. </p>
<p>Hopefully all this controversy will subside and I can return to <a href="http://coffeevancouver.ca/" target="_blank">blogging</a>, <a href="http://www.robertdall.com/photoindex.html" target="_blank">photography</a>, <a href="http://www.robertdall.com/webdesign01.html">web design</a> watching the <a href="http://canucks.nhl.com/" target="_blank">Canucks</a> in the playoffs and swimming with the <a href="http://www.hyack.com/masters.aspx" target="_blank">club</a>.</p>
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